The Polygraph Place

Thanks for stopping by our bulletin board.
Please take just a moment to register so you can post your own questions
and reply to topics. It is free and takes only a minute to register. Just click on the register link


  Polygraph Place Bulletin Board
  Professional Issues - Private Forum for Examiners ONLY
  Troublesome Training

Post New Topic  Post A Reply
profile | register | preferences | faq | search

next newest topic | next oldest topic
Author Topic:   Troublesome Training
rnelson
Member
posted 10-25-2008 09:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for rnelson   Click Here to Email rnelson     Edit/Delete Message
I've already ranted about my concerns regarding Mr. Holden's recent assertions at MRP that PCSOT is a "specific issue" test. It/they are not. PCSOT exams are commonly mixed-issue screening tests, conducted in the absence of an allegation or known incident. In Holden's lingo - the lack "conflict." So, I know he gets the point, but seems to want to borrow and applly the results of validity studies for single-issue investigation polygraphs to PCSOT screening exams.

Here are my notes on some of the more troubling bits from the PCSOT training in Utah, earlier this month.

First, a summary of the training material on
Accuracy and Reliability - this material seems to have been removed from the training content at MRP. That's good, because I don't think any smart folks would take it seriously.
http://raymondnelson.us/other/pcsot2008/Holden_accuracy_and_reliability_Utah_10-08.html

This is the 98% accurate stuff from the Ansley 1997 publication - co-opted for PCSOT.

And then some mangled information on containment theory.
http://raymondnelson.us/other/pcsot2008/Holden_containment_Utah_10-08.html

You can see that the PCSOT committee bungled the concepts of internal and external controls - somehow imagining that "internal control" means treatment, while "external control" means probation. Both probation and treatment are "external." Internal refers to the offenders self control and motivation - something we hope for, but don't rely on.

Then you can see some real left-field philsophizing about "global conditioning" and "local conditioning." Local conditioning is something I've never heard of, and could not find in a search at Google Scholar. Global conditioning, in the scientific literature seems to refer to something quite different than it does in these materials.

So, we have to be careful about the PCSOT committee making up new constructs and mangling existing ones.

In short, the concept of conditioning comes from behavioral learning theory. Here it refers to habituation and fear. Fear, of course, is not behavioral theory, but an emotional theory.

Why can't we have PCSOT standards that are based on sound science and not some vacuos Wizard-of-OZ type constructs?

r

------------------
"Gentlemen, you can't fight in here. This is the war room."
--(Stanley Kubrick/Peter Sellers - Dr. Strangelove, 1964)


IP: Logged

ebvan
Member
posted 10-25-2008 10:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ebvan   Click Here to Email ebvan     Edit/Delete Message
OK I'll bite
quote:
So, we have to be careful about the PCSOT committee making up new constructs and mangling existing ones.

In short, the concept of conditioning comes from behavioral learning theory. Here it refers to habituation and fear. Fear, of course, is not behavioral theory, but an emotional theory.

Why can't we have PCSOT standards that are based on sound science and not some vacuos Wizard-of-OZ type constructs?


Could it be that unless PCSOT is billed as a "Different" kind of polygraphy then the money being spent on "special certifications for PCSOT" will disappear from certain income profiles? OR Could it be some of the same old ego stroking behavior that leads to examiners designing testing formats and then naming them after themselves? or Could it be an honest but poorly guided attempt to improve our profession by instinctual rather than scientific innovation?

Or could it be "D" all of the above?

------------------
Ex scientia veritas

IP: Logged

All times are PT (US)

next newest topic | next oldest topic

Administrative Options: Close Topic | Archive/Move | Delete Topic
Post New Topic  Post A Reply
Hop to:

Contact Us | The Polygraph Place

Copyright 1999-2008. WordNet Solutions Inc. All Rights Reserved

Powered by: Ultimate Bulletin Board, Version 5.39c
© Infopop Corporation (formerly Madrona Park, Inc.), 1998 - 1999.